My current ETD holding generate about US$6970 of interest income annually.
Stock/bonds | Classification | Tax | Holding | Current px (S$ or US$) | Current worth | Div date | yield | Est. Payout | Grade |
AGIIL ARGD | ETD | N | 400 | 25.65 | 10260 | 3/6/9/12 | 6.5 | 650 | bbb- |
BSA | ETD | N | 200 | 23.6 | 4720 | 1/4/7/10 | 5.13 | 256.5 | bbb- |
EbayL | ETD | N | 400 | 26 | 10400 | 2/5/8/11 | 6 | 600 | bbb+ |
ENBA | ETD | N | 500 | 26.46 | 13230 | 1/4/7/10 | 6.375 | 796.875 | bbb- |
GBLIL | ETD | N | 400 | 25.5 | 10200 | 1/4/7/10 | 7.875 | 787.5 | bbb (Ambest) |
GBLIZ | ETD | N | 400 | 25.25 | 10100 | 2/5/8/11 | 7.75 | 775 | bbb (Ambest) |
MGR | ETD | N | 75 | 25.24 | 1893 | 3/6/9/12 | 5.875 | 110.15625 | bbb |
PJH-Prudential Financial 5.75% Jr Sub Notes | ETD | N | 500 | 25.42 | 12710 | 3/6/9/12 | 5.75 | 718.75 | bbb+ |
PRH | ETD | N | 200 | 25.42 | 5084 | 3/6/9/12 | 5.7 | 285 | bbb+ |
RILYL | ETD | N | 288 | 25.37 | 7306.56 | 1/4/7/10 | 7.5 | 540 | nr |
RILYZ | ETD | N | 300 | 25.19 | 7557 | 1/4/7/10 | 7.5 | 562.5 | nr |
SNHNL | ETD | N | 200 | 24.52 | 4904 | 3/6/9/12 | 6.25 | 312.5 | bbb- |
SOJA | ETD | N | 200 | 26 | 5200 | 1/4/7/10 | 6.25 | 312.5 | bbb |
THGA-Hanover Insurance Group 6.35% Subordinated Notes | ETD | N | 166 | 25.55 | 4241.3 | 3/6/9/12 | 6.35 | 263.525 | bb |
Total | 6970.80625 |
Caution should be used when purchasing these debt securities when the 5 year first call date is approaching. In an environment of falling interest rates companies will be ‘refinancing’ as much debt as possible at lower interest rates. If you purchase at a price above $25 you will incur a capital loss if the issue is called.
Exchange-traded debt securities are unique corporate debt securities designed for sale to the individual investor on equity exchanges vs the bond market. ETD also resemble preferred stocks in their basic features, but since they are debt and rank above preferred stock, they are generally considered less risky than preferred stocks. Upon liquidation, the exchange-traded debt securities rank junior to the company’s secured debt and senior to the company’s preferred and common stock. By their nature, ETD are safer than traditional preferreds because if the company is liquidated, debt is paid before equity.
Note that a good share of the exchange traded debt issues are investment grade issues. This makes these ETD good issues to be considered by those that like preferred shares as they are very similar (except they are one step higher on the ‘claim’ ladder in a bankruptcy). ETD Issuers tend to be majority Finance/Insurance companies and they are usually pretty stable business. In recent year, we also see ETD issuers coming from the technology sector like Ebay, Verizon , AT&T etc
General attributes of ETD securities:
- Issue price – $25 per share.
- Distributions – Higher than 10 year Treasury yields but slightly less than preferred stocks. Currently paying around 5 to 7.5% per annum. Interest payments are paid monthly or quarterly.
- Maturity – Most have maturity dates of 30 years.
- Call provisions – generally callable at the company’s option on or after 5 years from the date of issue.
- Call price – callable at par (issue price).
- Ranking – senior to the company’s preferred and common stock and junior to the company’s senior debt on liquidation and payment of dividends
My favorite website to find ETD listing and researching is
http://www.quantumonline.com/debttable.cfm?SortColumn=Company&SortOrder=ASC
Currently, this is a table of 206 exchange-traded debt securities The table list down the Symbol and the general attributes of a ETD like Coupon rate , Call date ,Payout date and Credit rating etc. In the table, investment grade credit ratings are printed in green while non-investment grade credit ratings are printed in red.
The table also provide a link to MarketWatch and Yahoo Finance under the Distribution Date for you to do more in-depth research on the financial metrics linked to the underlying ETD symbol.
There are many financial metrics that investors can use to help determine if a company would provide a lower risk investment. Some of the most important signs of a financially healthy company are growing revenue, solid earnings, healthy cash flow and low debt. There are other things that are important, such as a good and growing product line, time in business, consistent results and good management, etc.
The same financial metrics for investing in bonds and shares apply to ETD.
- Profitability: Checking the last 5 years and 5 quarters have been profitable. There is nothing better than profits, but if the company uses Non-GAAP accounting, you may have to look deeper. We can identify whether the company reports EPS or other Non-GAAP accounting metrics such as FFO, AFFO, NII, CAFD, etc.
- Payout Ratios: Checking stock dividend payout ratio and preferred stock dividend payout ratio can be a good indicator whether the ETD issuers are capable of paying interest. A ratio of under 1 indicates that the dividend is less than the earnings used to pay the dividend.
- Operating Cash Flow Payout: One of the important things a company can do is to have a positive operating cash flow at the end of the period. A ratio of under 1 indicates that the preferred dividend is less than the operating cash flow.
- Interest Coverage: This metric is used to determine whether or not the Earnings Before Interest and Taxes (EBIT) is sufficient to pay interest payments. Since an ETD is a debt, all payments are interest payments, not dividends. If the number is greater than 1, then there is enough earnings to pay the interest.
- Debt to EBITDA Ratio: Debt/EBITDA is a measure of a company’s ability to pay off its incurred debt in relation to its earnings – before Interest, Taxes, depreciation & Amortization. Low debt is important for all companies.
- Debt to Equity Ratio: One of the most important measures of a healthy company is to have low debt. High debt could challenge a company during economic downturns and slow a company’s growth during good times. We are looking for a low debt ratio. Best to compare with others in same or similar industry.
Thank you for this article. It is indeed very informative. In order not to incur the withholding tax when buying the above, what documents do we need to submit to the IRS please ? Or nothing needs to be submitted and there is nothing withheld by default ?
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I am using Interactive Broker.. The only form I submit is W8-Ben. IB does not withheld any tax on interest automatically for foreign investor. For US investor, bond interest is declared as income
DeleteThank you for your kind explanations. I intend to use SCB as my platform to buy into these ETDs. Any differences with the IB platform that you are aware of please ? I don't have an account with IB.
DeleteAs for the interest payouts, is the amount fixed every quarter, just like in coupon payments for normal bond issuances ?
One risk I have noticed is : the Feds have stopped hiking interest rates. With the trade war in progress now, if the economic numbers in The US start to fall, the Feds may cut rates. When interest rates start to drop, these ETDs may be called back, especially for those issues which have exceeded five years. If we are not quick enough to divest, we may be stuck with ETDs which are priced above the par values, for which if such ETDs are redemeed, we will suffer capital loss.
Appreciated your further comments, and thank you again.
CK.
I don't use SCB and I am not sure about its platform. When I first started buying ETD, I have the same question about withholding tax and nobody can give a definite answer. What I did is I buy like 10-50 shares (since commission is only $1) and hold till I received the first coupon. That is how I verify there is no withholding tax. I suggest u can do the same with SCB.
DeleteThe interest payout is fixed based on coupon. Buying ETD is the same as bond, you need to check your "Yield to call" (YTC) and Yield to Maturity (YTM). These 2 key metrics varied according to interest rate. When buying ETD, I worked out the YTC and YTM. I preferred not to buy ETD when its value go above 25.5... The best is to buy ETD when its first IPO, they are usually close to par value during the first few trading day.. You can check ETD new listing http://www.quantumonline.com/listwipo.cfm?type=IncomeIPOs&RequestTimeout=90
Tqvm again, GPI for your explanations. Upon reading your reply this morning, something came to my mind. Since you are buying into a group of ETDs, and we have to watch every single one of those ETDs in terms of those metrics, as in YTC, YTM, etc,... why do we not buy into a group of bonds (bonds and debt papers too), for which the work can be done by the bond manager ? Secondly, if we have a group of bonds, the risk will be spread out over many bonds, hence, if one or two bonds do recall earlier, the impact would not be that big.
DeleteOn a personal level, I have previously invested into bond funds, which is made up of a group of bonds (or debts). One such fund would be, the Allianz High-Yield Bond Fund (USD). I divested a year ago because the nav kept falling and the dpu got reduced every few months. Paid out every month. Sorry,.. I'm aware mine was a group of high-yield bonds instead of investment-grade bonds.
Just wanting your opinions here on the differences between investing into ETDs in the NYSE compared tagainst buying a fund made up of group of bonds.
I'll be signing-up for Quantum Online today.
CK
For some reason, it seems that there is a WHT for bond fund. I bought bond fund from etrade (which has stopped operation in Spore) many years ago, there was WHT incurred. I was told by etrade helpdesk that bond fund is not a debt instrument. Bond funds payout is considered as dividend and therefore subjected to WHT. Since then I have not bought any bond fund even with my current IB account. I prefer to buy individual bond as I am using a laddering strategy (I have written about this on bond articles in this blog) which spread out my maturity date and also my passive income from different bond interest payout every month. You can certainly buy a small amount of bond fund and check if the WHT applied.
ReplyDeleteTq. May I suggest something here : why do we not just ask the brokerage if we buy a particular ETD counter, will there be withholding tax imposed onto the coupons we will be receiving from that counter in future ? We'll give a few ETD counter names for them to reply to us. This is more efficient than putting in money to test, and if it does not work out, we have to sell those counters and pullout our funds.
DeleteWhat is your opinion to the above?
CK
All ETD and bonds do not have WHT.. I did question the helpdesk but they are usually not familiar with tax issue because US tax system is really complicated. However, the tax software seems to know what require WHT.. There was another occasion that I have WHT charges on a new foreign preferred stock . IB helpdesk was able to engage a tax specialist to help me to resolve the WHT issue.
DeleteTq again. If only the brokerage has the tax software, it becomes unfair to us, because only they are able to view the 'decisions of our wht'. Are we able to get hold of this software ?
DeleteLet me share one more item here. One of IB's whitelabel brokerages, Captrader wrote the below on their website. Link to that infos is here : https://www.captrader.com/en/payments/tax-information/
This is the important point : Withholding Tax
Our customers enjoy the great advantage that the withholding tax is not automatically retained and you can benefit from your entire capital including income and profits. Since your account agreement is concluded with an American company, our customers have this comfortable lead.
So,.. there is not going to be any WHT imposed against the US dividends paid-out from US companies. I am wondering how does Captrader then qualify as an intermediary, as well as as a Withholding Agent for US shares ?
CK
hi. saw your posting at HWZ and came to this site. I am actually doing something similar to what u are doing - investing for passive income. i checked out IB and the US bonds which u are investing. there are simply too many of them and the IB site is not exactly very comprehensive in terms of the info on the bonds. some bonds cannot be found. i prefer instead to use bondexpress provided by FSM. denominations are min 5K per bond and there are altogether about 20 bonds currently offered by them. thus far, i am vested in about 10 of the bonds with investments in each bond ranging from 5K to 20K. average YTW is about 6+%. if any of the bonds were to tank, its 20K max loss which is still not too bad. one catch is that one has to be AI to invest in bondexpress. I learnt a lot about bonds since a year ago when i started investing in wholesale bonds - the 250K one lot type. contrary to what people say, wholesale bonds can actually make good money if u know what u are doing. i bought and sold a couple of wholesale bonds and currently is just left with one USD denominated bond. i am still looking to buy a couple more bonds. i read bond prospectus almost daily and similar to you, would comb through their key metrics. i used to spend almost half a day before deciding whether to buy something but this has gone down dramatically over time. these days, with experience accumulated over the last 1 year, decision to buy or not a new bonds is made within 30mins. the objective is similar to yours which is to generate passive income. for me, i have quit my job about 3 years back and is generating around 60K annual passive. i reckon with full deployment of my funds, i should be able to hit 100K annual passive without assuming too much risk. i am not overly invested in stocks and my stocks which are mainly reit is around 20K nia. Usually i do not comment so much on someone's blog but i see that u are v unselfish in your sharing. so i tot i share my experience also. cheers. S.Y.
ReplyDeleteTq too for your sharing, S.Y.,.. how does the Bondexpress platform treats withholding taxes onto your interests (coupons) received ? I assumed your bonds were issued by US Issuers ?
DeleteHi Sy, Thanks for your comment. It is good information to hear from someone who use another platform for bond investment. I used IB because there is no AI requirement.. IB has almost every US bond available for investment. It might look daunting to scan through all the bonds available in IB.. However, I usually use http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/Default.jsp to filter my investment requirement to narrow my watchlist to less than 20. With the CUSIP, that is the only thing to input in IB to trade a bond.
Deletethey are non us companies. so no withholding. most of bondexpress bonds are SGD denominated. only just a few USD issues by non us companies e.g. DBS, 361 degrees, china evergrande. S.Y.
ReplyDeleteTq S.Y.,... appreciated your reply,...
DeleteCK
HI Anonymous, I can assure you that there is no WHT for bond issued by US companies.
DeleteThank you again, GPI,... are there any forums out there where ETD Investors discuss on these ETDs please ? It would be good to see what they say...
DeleteETD is a very tiny subset of bond.. I usually follow 2 guys on seeking alpha.https://seekingalpha.com/article/4255036-baby-bonds-complete-review and https://seekingalpha.com/article/4260548-7-companies-13-baby-bonds-among-highest-yielding-etds-marketplace... Richard Hill has a very detail research on ETD from weekly spreadsheet.You might have to subscribe and it used to be free.. Otherwise , he usually has am article or two on new ETD in seeking alpha website.
DeleteThank you very much.. GPI,... I'm working on this now,...
DeleteCK
can I ask if you use IB to scan, filter, monitor the bonds at all ? I can't seem to find the functionality in IB to scan to narrow down the bonds list that I would like
ReplyDeleteI don't use IB to research bond. As mentioned in my earlier bond article, the best site to search for bond and create a watchlist is http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/Default.jsp. Once you have the watchlist and decide what bond to buy, you just need to input the CUSIP. Once your bond is bought, IB will have a bond entry in your account.
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